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Proposal for hotel has South Elm project gaining momentum

Wednesday, July 1, 2009
(Updated Thursday, July 2 - 5:24 am)

GREENSBORO — Plans to redevelop the South Elm Street district downtown are gaining momentum now that private and public groups are working to build a major downtown hotel and a central office for the school system.

Officials have confirmed that a Memphis consultant is interested in building a $75 million hotel with 300 rooms in the redevelopment district south of Lee Street.

Mayor Yvonne Johnson said Bridget Chisholm created Urban Hotel Group two weeks ago, according to state business records, to develop the hotel project.

Chisholm works in finance and is a former county commissioner in Shelby County, Tenn. Chisholm was working to find financing for an identical hotel, called the Phoenix, in Memphis this year, according to stories in The (Memphis) Commercial Appeal newspaper. Chisholm did not return phone calls Tuesday.

“A major office building or a major hotel in that area ... would be a catalyst for other development and the redevelopment of that area,” said Roy Carroll, a developer who serves on the board of the Community Foundation of Greater Greensboro, which is an advocate for the redevelopment district.

Johnson said the hotel added to a potential Guilford County Schools office would attract retail, business and housing.

“The end result of the whole project will be somewhere in the neighborhood of more than a billion dollars in economic impact,” Johnson said.

Although the city’s redevelopment commission and the Greensboro City Council would need to approve any redevelopment plan, officials agree that a hotel could be an big step forward.

Carroll, who said his companies would not be involved in the projects, said Chisholm outlined the broad concept of the hotel in a conference call with local officials. But details are sketchy because the project is in its beginning stages.

The combination of projects would be a strong attraction for workers and visitors.

“The projects are strong enough to stand on their own on each side of the street,” Carroll said.

Local officials intend to lobby for federal stimulus funding for a new schools office.

Walker Sanders, president of the Community Foundation, confirmed Tuesday that his group is organizing a trip to Washington to meet with every local delegate’s office about the foundation’s redevelopment proposals. Sanders said the trip is not a sure thing, but the group would leave Tuesday if it does go.

Carroll has offered his private plane for the trip in his role as a board member. The group would be made up of Melvin “Skip” Alston, chairman of the county Board of Commissioners; Andy Scott, assistant city manager; Sanders; Johnson; and Carroll.

The Community Foundation has said a new central office would be a strong anchor for redeveloping the area and likely would attract more private investors.

“It offers a great opportunity for the schools (administration) to be in a new facility and in the same place,” Sanders said. “Also, it would give the community a more convenient location.”

School system administrative offices are spread across the county, including three buildings in downtown Greensboro.

“If it’s possible to get some federal stimulus, we want to explore what those opportunities are,” Sanders said.

He believes the central office project and other unnamed projects could qualify for bond funding through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

Gate City Co., a nonprofit subsidiary of the Community Foundation, proposed the central office plan in October. The $60 million plan called for the coordination of several governing boards, nonprofit groups and private developers. The plan calls for the school system to consolidate several of its 10 administrative offices into a new, 250,000-square-foot building on a 4.5 acre lot. The building would accommodate 500 employees.

Depending on what federal support, if any, the plan receives, Sanders said the building could be built larger and house other, similar entities.

The school board has not officially weighed in on the issue.

“We don’t even have the facts and figures to even go there,” school board member Deena Hayes said.

Hayes said if the plan would not cost the school system and could be a benefit, then it is something the board should discuss. Discussion also should include the potential economic development impact to downtown as well, Hayes said.

Five years ago, the city launched an $11 million redevelopment project on 10 acres south of Lee Street. The plan called for residential, commercial and office space.

Last year, the city finished buying the properties, demolished buildings and began environmental cleanup.

The redevelopment commission likely will start requesting proposals for projects on the property in October.

Contact Richard M. Barron at 373-7371 or richard.barron@news-record.com

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Photo Caption: Artist rendering of the proposed school building in southeast Greensboro.

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weezie

June 30, 2009 - 4:24 pm EDT

What happened to the regional plan? I thought the idea was to have regional offices throughout the county for easy access to services. If the school board has access to funds for any type of construction, it should be used at the school level.

aintme

June 30, 2009 - 5:11 pm EDT

Amen to that! I don't support using stimulus money for new construction vs. school improvements. GCS is in way too much pain financially.

rightwingnemesis

June 30, 2009 - 8:34 pm EDT

The Guilford County School Board is a conglomeration of narcissists and village idiots with a few dedicated citizens! They are not worthy of a central office when school lunch prices are raised and teachers are laid off. Get rid of Kris Cooke and Nancy Routh and you might be able to persuade me otherwise.

rightwingnemesis

July 1, 2009 - 9:56 am EDT

“I just think your company runs more efficiently when you’re all under one roof,” Cooke said.

We have schools crumbling, new schools needed and Kris Cooke, is out there promoting a new school office. What about Oak Ridge? What about Hunter's HVAC? Cooke is no business person...probably doesn't even understand what she is saying. But we have to hand it to her, she is always there for "ribbon cuttings" so I suppose she's really looking forward to cutting that one too.

mamaboilermaker

June 30, 2009 - 8:13 pm EDT

Kids and teachers are getting sick from mold. Schools are crowded. Teachers are "furloughed." Yep, what we need is a nice new building for all the educrats that created this mess!

Norm*

June 30, 2009 - 9:03 pm EDT

There's got to be at least one old Bi-Lo location that could be converted for a whole heck of a lot less. Lots of parking, all the utilties are already in place. . .if they need to expand later they can just start lining up mobile units behind it just like they do at the schools. What's good for the kids should be good for the admin folks.

johnnybegood

June 30, 2009 - 9:47 pm EDT

i mean really now.....have you noticed the following: 'downtown this, downtown that'...people wake up..this is not ATLANTA, nor CHICAGO....all these new ideas for downtown development is nothing but EGOS !

it is getting somewhat annoying...even the newspaper is foaming at the mouth for downtown....lets see...elm street is cool and nice....but damn, its not all that in comparison to other metro areas....if greensboro keeps talking about downtown this and downtown that...guess what? it will burn out fast, and slowly start to look like downtown durham...all hype and no results!....

rightwingnemesis

June 30, 2009 - 10:13 pm EDT

I love the shopping center/Bi-Lo idea! That's what the school board should be doing ...looking for shopping centers to put their "satellite" offices in like the Police Department. The last thing they need is a Taj-'MO'-hal for the adminstration!

Laura

July 1, 2009 - 10:40 am EDT

Good idea!

Paul J

June 30, 2009 - 9:39 pm EDT

Just more proof positive things are not bad enough yet and business as usual. Spend,spend,spend and raise taxes which include "fees".

Gso Resident

July 1, 2009 - 4:01 am EDT

Any public official or support staff that sets foot on Roy Carroll's plane should be arrested on the spot !

As a public official you have to see this stuff coming ?

Panacea

July 1, 2009 - 7:57 am EDT

Agreed. This definately falls into unethical behavior. Just because Carroll doesn't plan to do any work on this project now doesn't mean he won't be involved later. Also, as a developer, this gives him unfettered access to public officials to discuss other projects.

Carroll should not go. Any county official should fly commercial.

And this project should not receive ANY funding until the GCS has fixed the problems it has with buildings it already owns, and rehired every laid off teacher.

triadwatch

July 1, 2009 - 5:51 pm EDT

This was said "Carroll has offered his private plane for the trip in his role as a board member. The group would be made up of Melvin “Skip” Alston, chairman of the county Board of Commissioners; Andy Scott, assistant city manager; Sanders; Johnson; and Carroll."

To see a major developer in Roy Carroll give a free airplane ride to the mayor of Greensboro and the chairman of the Guilford County Board of Commissions Skip Alston is a major ethical problem to me and it should raise red flags to the citizens of this county.This raises a lot of campaign issues as well since the mayor of Greensboro is campaigning for the fall election, will she report this on her campaign returns or will Roy Carroll report this on his PAC called North Carolinians for Leadership in Government

connieohyeah

July 1, 2009 - 8:17 am EDT

1 billion in economic stimulus sounds nice.

Let's not take the Federal Money.

Downtown development is good.

Use the guy's private plane if you want, whatever. Leave the federal money there, though.

Make money.

60something

July 1, 2009 - 9:09 am EDT

Did anyone check the bona fides of Bridget Chisholm? The article mentions that she was trying to find financing for an identical hotel in Memphis last year. So - is there a new hotel called the Phoenix in Memphis?

rightwingnemesis

July 1, 2009 - 9:51 am EDT

The smokescreen of a hotel hides the true project....a shining new central office for Guilford County Schools.

hopperfan

July 1, 2009 - 10:26 am EDT

Well this hotel project sounds exciting! I just hope plans don't fall through like other downtown proposals that included hotel like the Greensboro Triumph Center which was the $300 million mystery mega-project that was announced with great fanfare. It was a big let down when that project didnt happen. I was looking forward to having a downtown bowling alley, convention center, House of Blues and an IMAX theater.

hopperfan

July 1, 2009 - 10:31 am EDT

Oh Yea and the Greensboro Triumph Center was suppose to include a cluster of high-rises, restaurants and rides.

chickenlittle02

July 1, 2009 - 11:15 am EDT

I would much rather see stimulus money used to upgrade the city bus system. Think of the savings on fuel that everyone could have if we had a real, honest-to-goodness bus system that provided meaningful transportation for everyone!

uncwgm

July 1, 2009 - 11:27 am EDT

Here we go again..

Wonder how much THIS public/private venture will end up costing us?

The mayor and council don't get it, not exactly the kind of priority taxpayers are expecting from our "leadership" in the middle of a major recession..

I'm sure it'll be a good deal for some connected politicians, developers and the 2 week old company wanting us to support their idea though. At least people can see how absolutely gullible the leadership in Greensboro is.

This town never changes and never ceases to amaze me...keep allowing special interest like the Simkins Pac to run this town and expect more of the same.

Radiance

July 1, 2009 - 3:15 pm EDT

Does Greensboro need 300 more hotel rooms? Aside from the two times a year the furniture market is here, what is the occupancy rate at the Grandover?

oh good grief

July 1, 2009 - 4:28 pm EDT

Why look at the occupancy rates at the Grandover, the O. Henry, or the Proximity -- they aren't downtown. Look instead at the occupancy rate at the Marriott which IS downtown and in a much nicer part of town (excepting, of course, for the murder at the curb market across from First Presbyterian Church on a Sunday morning at 9:30 a.m.).

As to a Guilford County Schools Administration Building down there, since most open-to-the-public School Board meetings take place from the early evening (already dark during the school year months) into the late hours (depending on the controversy du jour), who in their right mind would travel to that part of town to attend a school board meeting and risk life and limb (to not even be heard)?

Read the Police Department Daily Bulletin and get a real view of what is happening "downtown."

I can't decide if our local officials are ignorant, misguided, on-the-take, or so wound up in making a silk purse out of a sow's ear (baaaaaad location) that they do not make make cogent decisions which will be beneficial to the public past the first 5, 6, 7 years of "newness" and "novelty."

Liquidsky

July 1, 2009 - 8:11 pm EDT

It's sorta ugly, Greensboro can do better than this. Honestly, a hotel is not something we need, why can't we get a Whole Foods to downtown instead?

Get Real

July 2, 2009 - 3:05 am EDT

PLEASE give me a Whole Foods downtown.

connieohyeah

July 2, 2009 - 10:52 am EDT

Why would City Council deal with bringing a Whole Foods?

Quit crying about it and start the business yourself. I'm sure Whole Foods would be happy to entertain your franchise information requests.

tledford

July 1, 2009 - 8:53 pm EDT

This money would be better spent in developing a time machine which would take us back to 1908, which is where we all belong.

newkid

July 1, 2009 - 10:47 pm EDT

Any school system construction funds must go toward fixing SCHOOLS. Taxpayers won't stand for anything else.

Oh, and regarding the hotel? Check with the newly-renovated Marriott downtown to see what their occupancy rates have been recently.

Garth

July 2, 2009 - 7:31 am EDT

Board had nothing to do with this, this is brainchild of some county commissioners. Ask them why they will not fund repairs to existing schools where kids learn yet are willing to support a project where administrators sit! Tell the Commissioners!

Garth

July 2, 2009 - 7:36 am EDT

Also, hotel is cover for redevelopment project, in a place where money cannot be had to buy homes someone can do a 300 room Hotel? There is nothing there to support the hotel, but alas it offers cover for commissioners to justify making School Board support downtown project. Funny, it is same group that wanted Board to Give Away school property to private charity. I woner if someone compared which commissioners owned investment property near this project, might this have something to do with it?

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